I'm not sure I fully understand the mechanics of the Player Owned Customs Office. I'm part of a corp that lives out of NPC 0.0 space, how would this affect us? Are all of our existing PI installations going to be destroyed when this feature is enabled? If not, how do we get our goo off if there's no POCO anchored? I feel like we need more details on this change so we can fully understand the changes.

I'm like a few other people here and am very limited in my playing time but enjoy the passive income PI generates. If this change requires more time or makes it more difficult to make isk from PI then why use it? I'm just worried that the PI income I use to buy PvP ships will disappear.

CCP Omen,

Perhaps CCP could have a transition period, for 2 weeks the NPC CO's stay up, while we get to deploy ours.

Just a thought,
AG

CCP omen, have you read all the views of the people who think this is a terribad idea? i know you ahve read teh views of teh ones that think is good.

can you tell us how your going to address the concerns of teh ones that think its bad?

are you too dumb to see that?

Appreciate the feedback. It's a tough nut, we have some ideas for the future, so hopefully, while there are no protection, those fights will be relatively isolated to particular systems in space. The value dynamic is very interesting, if alliances terrorize customs offices, there will be fewer around and the prices go up so bigger incentives to set one up again and protect it.

It's also extremely hard to find a good deal; maybe the system next door has much better taxes, but you have to manually fly there and check out every damn office to know that. What if you have hundreds of potential systems? it will take forever to check them all out.

Better idea: Don't fix what isn't broken.

More FiS, less FarmVille please ^^

So CCP do you intend to reimburse all the corps who live and have a POS in WH space when you realise too late that they should have been able to deploy defences to protect them. If you like to have a natural balance in EVE the structures in WH need to be governed by different parameters.
POINT 1. there is usually only one corp in a WH they are not going to be able to tax anyone except themselves,(so where is their revenue).

POINT 2. unlike anywhere else in EVE where gangs/fleets can very very quickly and easily be formed to defend a structure. The random access mechanics WH makes, defending them unrealistic. (yes I know if it is attacked you can spend, oh say an hour scanning a way out in order that your team of defenders can fly back in, WOW! all, whilst your POCO's is being attacked, then if you are very, very lucky, you might just save it.

POINT 3. If these BPCGÇÖs are only available via DED/Concord stores have you thought about those who canGÇÖt access them thus leaving corp POSGÇÖs unable to obtain the items to function. At least give them a fighting chance and seed them at most stations in EVE even if they cost a bit more there.
I doubt any one minds them being destructible however they MUST have at least minimum auto defences. in WH space the corp numbers just are not the same as in Low/Null and High sec.

Please stop this application of two dimensional thought ( NULL SEC vs EMPIRE) you created WH space with parameters differing from those two so please THINK and realise the POCO's need to be different from both of them.

Dont get me wrong the concept is great, it's just, well not really thought out fully. this is potentially a global, sorry universal POS wrecker that no fleet of dreadnaughts ever achieved.

just be straight, this is the start of the eve- dust link and you want us fighting over pos fuels?

Ugh... my own person experience shows that even the 2000m3 is insufficient. Besides, it's not practical to rely on the command center for storage... they rarely remain connected to the rest of the PI network. Most often, when the resources deplete in one area you move the netowrk aroudn the planet while the command center remains where it was established.

(Also a reason against relying on them for launching... they're not attached or near the PI network.)

the cc dosnt have to be linked to teh storage(launchpad) to put stuff in it does it? i thought it was that experdite transfer thing that teleported it there.

if you do have to link it, the cc should be movible as that was designed when the resorses didnt move all over the planet, like the pi mark2 now does
brings me back to pi should be redone compleatly before you add more dull stuff to it, just imo ofc

Given that it's completely tied in with Dust, and given that we'll need something to defend our colonies from console kiddies, one would very much hope so.

This is just for when somebody tells me...and WHY you didn't say anything BEFORE?...


Well...

I am against the change in low sec...

Try first in 0.0 and come back in 6 months...

They're an even worse concept in Low sec, actually reducing conflict because high sec people, especially those in NPC corps, will have nothing to fight for once some dungpile plants a POCO on a planet they've been using. Why destroy it if there's nothing left anyhow? Again, the cost to erect these things won't be worthwhile for any small indy corps to have to bear.

However... if they leave customs offices in place and have them go inactive when a POCO is active at that moon and have them go active again if the POCO is removed or destroyed, then high sec people have something they can fight for. They'll have the option to destroy the POCO and regain full access to their PI. Some will, some will hire mercs... but they'll be fought over/for. There will be a reason to.

Leave the customs offices. Have them go inactive when a POCO is present. Have them be online when one isn't. So many issues are prevented and the system becomes much more dynamic like it sounds the original intent was. Everyone wins.

So it seems despite all the feedback to CCP that the concept was broken for low sec we see on SiSi it implemented as blogged?

They really don't get it.

Issler

pi goods used to be an isk sink. i would love them to go back to exactly that, but at this stage pi is perfect to ccp.

the isk font is still there and infact it grew more with corps getting the tax income insted of it being removed from the game.

while i agree with the isk circulation arguement. this used to be a massive isk sink. now the only isk that is being removed is buying the cc and the building cost of the pi buildings. nothing else is removed. the tax will circulate with these plans to a player corp, not concord as currently.
the massive isk sink devaluation happened when the npc sell orders were removed, as all pos fuels were an isk sink.
so from an 0.0 corp point of view, we just got more isk rolling in to our wallet.